Suzanne and fellow coach Jeff Jacobson anchor their conversation on the human tendency to defend ourselves. Touching on a range of topics including gun control, hard conversations, and reproductive rights, they discuss our greater need for safety and how we might better understand what’s worth protecting.

Jeff Jacobson is a professional coach and facilitator who works with clients to manage change, enhance performance, discover cutting-edge solutions, and create sustainable working environments. He’s on faculty at the Co-Active Training Institute and is the author of the novel The Boy Who Couldn’t Fly Straight.